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welcome to Towson Toronto I'm your host

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Nick West my guest today is Brian

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Dunning host of these skeptoid podcast

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and the associated in fact YouTube

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channel he's written several books

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including conspiracies Declassified

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which is the one I'm most interested in

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and he has a new documentary film coming

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out soon called science friction so

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Brian welcome to the podcast

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Hey thank you for having me it's great

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to finally be here after all these years

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it is it is and our paths of kind of

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crossed a few times but not really that

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much you know over the years it's kind

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of interesting that we have in some ways

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kind of similar similar backgrounds and

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they were both kind of tech guys who

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gone into into debunking things very

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much you know I was using I was using

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made a bunk as a resource for a lot of

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my podcasts and as a listed reference

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probably four years before I realized

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that it was your project I just thought

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it was an internet forum or just random

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people posted and I was really surprised

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at the quality of the content it's like

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boy they the first article on all of

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these threads is really thorough and

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very well done and very well sourced and

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also yeah I was pleased to finally know

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oh there's actually a guy here and he's

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someone who we share a lot in common

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with so yeah no thank you yes no so not

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all me of course but I do write a lot of

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the first posts it's kind of kind of

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like my blog in a way but also with a

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bunch of other people but your your

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endeavors are very much all about you

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and it's really very obvious like

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skeptoid yeah I don't I don't have the

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advantage of well advantage and

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disadvantage it's definitely a two-edged

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sword of a bunch of collaborators

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working on it all the skeptoid podcast

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episodes are researched and written and

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done entirely by me I've got a I've got

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a Google Group that I will post

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questions to but not that often maybe a

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couple times a month and there's I don't

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know 500 or so people on there anyone

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can join it and occasionally I'll get

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some really amazing stuff like I'll need

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reference or some some particular book

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found or something like that and that's

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that's when that use that when that list

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comes in most hopeful yeah I said I

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think crowdsourcing is it's a very

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useful thing didn't we can yeah yeah

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it's kind of one of the great benefits

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of the Internet is that it's not just

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that you can look things up so quickly

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but you can get so many people looking

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at as an issue and I think that's you

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know it's kind of we've got pros and

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cons would you say like because the

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assembly people can can solve problems

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but so many people can also can I get

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you know sucked down into and magnify

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was going to be doing something like if

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I had a forum for example of for

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research for each upcoming podcast like

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doing it a little bit different from of

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the way you do it but let's say I had a

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forum for sirs that have not yet been

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produced and I'm waiting for you know

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the whole thread wind-up and everyone to

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learn everything and do all the research

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quality of the information and that's

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probably a paranoid on my part and it

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probably would be very good quality but

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it's tough because just as the Internet

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content as you and I enjoy with with

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distributing our materials and the

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ability to compete with major media

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outlets and stuff like that it it also

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it has the Wikipedia issue of you know

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there's nobody is nobody knows too much

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about the quality of this newly

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democratized content yeah your podcast

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skeptoid there's a wonderful resource I

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was just going through all the episodes

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you've got nearly seven hundred episodes

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now I'm working on number 700 this

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morning in far right yeah that's quite

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amazing that's you've been doing it

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since like what 2006 2006 yeah we just

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celebrated our 30th birthday and through

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the year through the month of October

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yes you did it 24 hour forecast Athan

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third 13 hour but yeah as soon as we

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have that idea and I say we because um

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here it's capital

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they work on fundraising they don't work

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on the content side but as soon as we

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marathon I you know initially I thought

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it sounds like okay how's my voice gonna

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hold up for 30 hours that's a low it's

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looking it's a lot of talking yeah so it

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was it was brutal but it was fun and

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yeah so you you you need you invited a

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bunch of people and I was one of the

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people you invited but when I went to

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sign up for the thing the only thing

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people in waves according to their time

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second-tier invitees many of whom I

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realized oh gosh they really should have

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been my first you ended up offending a

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number of my friends I guess you over

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the years you must have a lot of friends

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speaker or if we have a table for

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skeptoid or something I I rarely go to

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but if I did the reason would be just to

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see friends really yeah as you point out

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science communication and you know

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many different genres you know that's

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friendships so it's a blast yeah yeah

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last si si con because I have something

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else going on but it look like fun and I

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speculation and there was there was

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might be revealed in the future okay

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the only person not involved in anything

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Illuminati is that you know that type of

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accusation you know that you're a

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government shill is that something

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unfiltered and everything and when I

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million people muted I don't block

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anyone but I knew tons of people so yeah

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it it's incredible because you know with

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with with skeptoid with the podcast

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covering such a diverse range of topics

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you know everything from all the hard

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sciences to all the urban legends and

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everything it's all these very many

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genres and for each of them there's

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paid shell from the government if I talk

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Holocaust denial of course I was a paid

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shill for the State of Israel or

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whatever it was the Zionists and I think

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okay does that make sense that they

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would be so desperate for PR that they

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Bigfoot and stuff for 13 years just to

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Holocaust denial just kind of just a

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fart in the breeze of this whole giant

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stream of content would that be worth

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what it would cost to hire me for 13

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the logic I don't quite follow yeah it

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doesn't really make sense of course it

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could be that all these different people

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but eggs ology has to keep Bigfoot

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suppressed oh yeah rent money there's

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Bigfoot scepticism which is kind of like

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a derogatory term that people use for

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like looking at things like Bigfoot or

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UFOs when they feel like you should be

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looking at things like like I don't know

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conspiracies how do you feel about about

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that criticism it's that's that's a

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theme that comes up a lot and I just did

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an episode last week I think it comes

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this old legend about a ghost ship that

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there's probably nobody who you know is

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passionate about this their belief in

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this ghost ship to the point that they

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go insane on the internet about it it's

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about Bigfoot so why why waste time

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talking about something like that that's

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obviously fake and the reason as I often

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thought processes that lead to belief in

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Bigfoot that lead to belief in

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alternative medicine 9/11 true thing etc

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etc etc and so no matter who the

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teaches them the lessons that they need

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to learn and understand so that they can

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come to challenge their sacred cows on

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their own and so I think that there's

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always going to be a place for for

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Bigfoot skepticism plus it's fun it's

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just fun to talk about some of these

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these urban legends that that you know

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maybe we heard about when we were kids

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or read about or saw on Leonard Nimoy's

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show or you know it's it's fun it is

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yeah and that's yeah I guess the reason

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a lot of people you know do skepticism

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in that area and let UFOs and things

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what we you into this as a child like

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what were your kind of the childhood

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interest like UFOs and things like that

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usually III had all the books on Bigfoot

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all the books on UFOs all the books on

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ghosts and hauntings and everything I

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watched all the TV shows I believed

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every word of it every word of it and I

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would go about my daily life being

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amazed that the adults around me didn't

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seem to care that there's these huge

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hairy monsters running around in forests

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and the so you know and of course when

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you're into that you seem to always be

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into science fiction - that seems to be

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the the other common thread and you say

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you grow up with a group of people in

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this group of people just we all tend to

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go into the sciences in some way shape

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or form and so I was just kind of along

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that journey I was you know floating in

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that River along with everyone and it

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took me to the same place it takes

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everyone on this path which is

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eventually coming to just love science

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and and love the idea of doing research

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and finding the answers to difficult

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questions solving mysteries

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I've solved mysteries on skeptoid that

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blew my mind when I was a child

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hmm and that's giving myself a present

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after you know 40 years so I just I I

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cannot enjoy it more than than what I do

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what would you say is the best mystery

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I always go back to I'm spacing on the

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name of the house the most haunted house

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in England Borle rectory alright I I'd

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read all the books about Borle rectory

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and about the the the the the biggest

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the biggest thing that that blew my mind

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and that was the automatic writing

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appearing on the walls and the book even

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had photographs of this writing on walls

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that was said to have appeared while

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people watched so here you got you know

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photograph of the wall and there in this

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wallpaper and you see what did it say it

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said maryann get help things like that

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and to me that was beyond skepticism

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people were watching as the words

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appeared and I thought there could be no

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no none paranormal explanation to that

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mhm and when I finally did the research

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on that I learned two things first of

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all all the books on Borle rectory were

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written by this one guy Harry price who

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was a career basically PT Barnum making

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stuff up and then I in in somewhere else

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some other skeptical work that had been

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published before I found a detailed

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description of the seance in which this

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automatic writing had appeared and it

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wasn't on a wall it was on wallpaper but

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simply because a roll of wallpaper was

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the biggest convenient roll of paper

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that they had available they rolled it

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out on a table and they were using a

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planchette basically the Ouija board

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failure they all put their hands on it

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and was holding the pencil and that was

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when the writing appeared while people

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walked

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that's very generally kind of left out

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that detail in the Harry Price version

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of the book and somewhere along the line

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that detail got lost and now when you

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read any any modern account written

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about Borle rectory it it doesn't make

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that connection it made the same mistake

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that I made when I was a kid which is

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that this wall the writing appeared on a

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wall automatically while people were

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watching

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with no hand holding a pencil or

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anything so that that difference between

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wall and wallpaper was was really the

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key and that's that's the thing that

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I've enjoyed the most that's the single

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biggest wow moment for me in all the

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years of skeptoid yeah it's fascinating

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I think it's very interesting how it

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shows that these stories kind of grow

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over time and they change over time and

378
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that's yeah you're people's memories of

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them change over time you know one thing

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with all these stories they get recycled

381
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a lot and every time they get recycled

382
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it's like someone writes a new article

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on this and they're just kind of

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incorporating older articles and then

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the new article becomes the more

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authoritative one and then it kind of it

387
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morphs and evolves I guess and the more

388
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popular ones survive and the more

389
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popular ones that might be the ones that

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have the more interesting features in

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them like writing on some wallpaper

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isn't interesting but writing appearing

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on a wall it's fascinating so that story

394
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dies and then this story carries on I

395
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love that that particular detail I'm

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sure was an honest mistake

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yeah because in Summit County said the

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writing was appeared on the wallpaper

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and to any normal person reading that

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you assume that the wallpaper is mounted

401
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on a wall right you would yeah the next

402
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author just said wall instead of

403
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wallpaper but yeah as you say all of

404
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these stories the way they get copied

405
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and pasted and and and rewritten it's

406
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just this giant game of telephone going

407
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over the decades the story changes and

408
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changes a little bit each time so few

409
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people are doing original research now

410
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this ghost the ghost ship episode that I

411
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mentioned that I just finished working

412
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on it's popular in the Bermuda Triangle

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literature and that that's essentially

414
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the only place you find it now and when

415
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I found the actual route that this ship

416
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took it went straight across the North

417
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Atlantic you know basically kind of

418
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going north from England and been coming

419
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down south to New York it never went

420
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remotely near the Bermuda Triangle

421
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it's just what nobody thought to check

422
00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:47,760
that yeah I guess it sounds it sounds

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00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:49,370
good though it sounds like a fit so

424
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that will take it it's one of ours yeah

425
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yeah so yeah I like what you were saying

426
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about the culture of types of people who

427
00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:01,070
get into this thing I mean it's kind of

428
00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:03,560
like like nerd culture really for want

429
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:05,060
of a better thing you're talking about

430
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things like you know makers and cosplay

431
00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:10,130
and things like that this is the type of

432
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things you would see on the Big Bang

433
00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:16,460
Theory and very much yeah yeah it's it's

434
00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:19,310
funny how there's such a there's such an

435
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intersection between straight-up

436
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sci-fi fantasy fiction and hard science

437
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:30,950
would you go to going to Dragon Con I

438
00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:32,510
think is a great example of that because

439
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that is where you will see some of your

440
00:18:41,740 --> 00:18:37,670
favorite hard scientists disguised as

441
00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:41,750
some character from a video game it's

442
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it's really a fun angle that a lot of

443
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people that either would appreciate more

444
00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:48,320
if they knew more about it yeah I think

445
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:50,450
a lot of people who grew up reading

446
00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:52,850
science fiction go into the sciences

447
00:18:56,650 --> 00:18:54,830
because of that I mean I know I my

448
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interest in science now is very much

449
00:19:02,410 --> 00:19:00,050
rooted in reading science fiction as a

450
00:19:03,790 --> 00:19:02,420
as a young young boy essentially what my

451
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:03,800
dad had a big collection of science

452
00:19:08,890 --> 00:19:06,890
fiction books it's kind of older stuff

453
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as well like back from the fifties and

454
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sixties and reading that canopy fly

455
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:16,250
interest and yeah then again watching

456
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stuff like Doctor Who on TV was was was

457
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a very very important part of my youth

458
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:26,660
who among us was not in love with Sarah

459
00:19:35,980 --> 00:19:30,320
Jane Smith for its way for decades yeah

460
00:19:42,610 --> 00:19:35,990
indeed yes the I was looking over your

461
00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:42,620
your last 700 episodes on skeptoid and I

462
00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:44,390
start looking over your your YouTube

463
00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:47,380
channel yeah you only have about 60

464
00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:50,900
videos do you do you like I suppose it

465
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takes a lot more work to do the videos

466
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is that why there is it does and and

467
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it's it's a lot more work as you point

468
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out it's it's a lot more expensive and I

469
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really don't have time

470
00:20:09,370 --> 00:20:06,140
or it so what I do is those are all

471
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crowdfunded and I only produce one after

472
00:20:14,409 --> 00:20:12,799
the thermometer is filled and you know

473
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:14,419
there's a lot of video content on

474
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YouTube and it's it's it's something

475
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:19,610
that I just really never hit critical

476
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:22,730
mass on I still produce them there's

477
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:24,970
still valuable resources to be out there

478
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and part of the reason we're going to

479
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continue doing that and continue doing

480
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them better because you know there's

481
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been quality issues with a lot of them

482
00:20:37,659 --> 00:20:35,330
and things like that it's because that

483
00:20:40,570 --> 00:20:37,669
we're a non-profit at skeptoid media and

484
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everything that we do what we promise to

485
00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:43,160
our donors is that we provide it as

486
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educational material to teachers as part

487
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of these free material packages so if

488
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why don't we make a video and if it gets

489
00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:52,309
15 views on YouTube that's fine I don't

490
00:20:56,770 --> 00:20:55,190
really care because it's it's it's real

491
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purpose is being provided as part of

492
00:21:03,310 --> 00:20:59,900
this educational package so everything

493
00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:03,320
we do ideally always working toward this

494
00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:06,020
better and better is is dual purpose

495
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:08,150
it's intended to be fun and entertaining

496
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for the general public and it's also

497
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intended to be part of a formalized

498
00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:14,179
education package yeah that's great and

499
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:16,100
it's I think it's really good to have

500
00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:19,850
resources available like that for some

501
00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:21,350
of the more obscure stuff cussing course

502
00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:24,169
like on on YouTube it used to be a bit

503
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,710
of a dark pit of of nonsense and they've

504
00:21:31,419 --> 00:21:29,360
kind of cleaned it up a bit recently and

505
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I think there's kind of been down

506
00:21:37,659 --> 00:21:34,190
ranking some of the didn't your videos

507
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:37,669
get taken down because it's a yeah one

508
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:40,130
day line that's that's happened a lot

509
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:42,650
lately when they started they really

510
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:46,250
ratcheted up their their automated yeah

511
00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:49,130
taking down in videos and they really

512
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:52,220
just go by the title so my video on

513
00:21:59,610 --> 00:21:57,290
Holocaust denial got taken down and my

514
00:22:02,080 --> 00:21:59,620
whole channel got demonetized

515
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,090
because of the titles of a number of

516
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:03,679
these episodes now there's no human

517
00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:05,510
being actually involved in the process

518
00:22:09,580 --> 00:22:07,340
you know you can you can appeal the

519
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:09,590
process and in a few days they almost

520
00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:13,520
always reverse that but I was able to

521
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:15,080
get most of it taken care of through

522
00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:17,159
just kind of a back-channel connect

523
00:22:21,769 --> 00:22:19,470
with a friend with friends in high

524
00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:21,779
places who said none another skeptoid

525
00:22:26,509 --> 00:22:23,519
channel really needs to be whitelisted

526
00:22:29,659 --> 00:22:26,519
and and that's helped basically solve

527
00:22:32,659 --> 00:22:29,669
the problem the only thing now is when

528
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:32,669
there's episodes like debunking 9/11

529
00:22:38,749 --> 00:22:35,970
truth advertisers don't necessarily want

530
00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:38,759
their ads on that content whether it's

531
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:41,609
pro science or not it's just a subject

532
00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:43,049
that want to avoid so a number of those

533
00:22:48,769 --> 00:22:46,590
episodes are demonetized which is which

534
00:22:50,989 --> 00:22:48,779
it's fine I mean we make you know a

535
00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:50,999
matter of hundreds of dollars a month on

536
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:53,549
YouTube it's not it's not a major source

537
00:22:59,019 --> 00:22:55,470
of income for us it's mostly just to

538
00:23:01,219 --> 00:22:59,029
have the content out there yeah yes I

539
00:23:03,729 --> 00:23:01,229
don't say it's all on one page your

540
00:23:06,739 --> 00:23:03,739
video say it's interesting kind of see

541
00:23:08,769 --> 00:23:06,749
how styles and shirts have changed over

542
00:23:11,749 --> 00:23:08,779
the last 10 years

543
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:11,759
you seem to have got better fitting

544
00:23:16,479 --> 00:23:14,369
shirts over the years I would say that

545
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:16,489
that's the biggest comment I get on my

546
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:20,820
2008 video my god he goes 2008 now that

547
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:22,769
video I did called here be dragons which

548
00:23:26,619 --> 00:23:24,570
is a 40 minute video I made the whole

549
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:26,629
thing myself with a camera on a tripod

550
00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:31,440
and scripts taped to the camera yeah it

551
00:23:35,389 --> 00:23:33,629
was like a zero resource production but

552
00:23:40,609 --> 00:23:35,399
the most common comment is how I'm

553
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:40,619
wearing a different shirt really that's

554
00:23:42,919 --> 00:23:42,570
what you're focusing on okay fine lesson

555
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:42,929
learned

556
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,419
always the same shirt yeah I guess it

557
00:23:52,989 --> 00:23:47,840
could be a distraction for people thank

558
00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:52,999
ya so let's talk about your book

559
00:23:59,180 --> 00:23:56,779
conspiracies Declassified this is like

560
00:24:00,529 --> 00:23:59,190
it's kind of like a skeptoid style thing

561
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,539
and that you do like a whole bunch of

562
00:24:05,629 --> 00:24:02,159
different things and you do a nice neat

563
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:05,639
kind of explanation of each one there's

564
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:07,710
a trying to reach for my copy there's my

565
00:24:11,539 --> 00:24:09,419
dog-eared copy the one that I had to do

566
00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:11,549
whenever I have an author's reading or

567
00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:12,830
something I take this it's got all my

568
00:24:18,379 --> 00:24:14,879
writing and scribblings throughout it

569
00:24:21,349 --> 00:24:18,389
but yeah so this this was something that

570
00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:21,359
just kind of came to me out of the blue

571
00:24:26,749 --> 00:24:23,580
Simon and Schuster called and said hey

572
00:24:28,609 --> 00:24:26,759
we're doing this series of 50 of this 50

573
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:28,619
of that and we want to do 50 conspiracy

574
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:29,960
theories

575
00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:31,850
do you think you can think of 50

576
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:36,020
conspiracy theories laughs I did an

577
00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:39,290
export from the skeptoid database with

578
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:41,150
the conspiracy theory category and it

579
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:43,490
was about 200 different trades I had

580
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,220
already done so it became a matter of

581
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:48,320
whittling it down to the the most

582
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:52,370
popular 50 it was it was a lot of fun it

583
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:54,410
was you know I'd already done all of the

584
00:25:00,160 --> 00:24:57,490
research so I really just had to rewrite

585
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:00,170
episodes reformat them change it because

586
00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:02,570
each chapter in this book is it's like

587
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:05,180
you know what's what's the what's the

588
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:08,150
theory what's the truth what's the the

589
00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:10,850
explanation so I'd to break it all down

590
00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:13,220
into these sections for the one on

591
00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:16,190
flatter thing for the explanation I

592
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:17,900
wanted just one sentence I just want to

593
00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:21,290
say the world is round it's gonna be the

594
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:23,060
shortest chapter of the book and they

595
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:25,850
wouldn't let me do that so it's

596
00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:29,120
interesting cuz I hey I said okay main

597
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:30,470
issue you have with the plot surface is

598
00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:31,640
that it's very difficult to take them

599
00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:34,040
seriously because they're yeah they're

600
00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:36,020
obviously so obviously wrong but then I

601
00:25:39,610 --> 00:25:37,340
guess you could say the same thing about

602
00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:39,620
a lot of things like the supernatural

603
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,560
stuff yeah no that's a good point and

604
00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:44,720
I've sort of modified my opinion on that

605
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:47,660
because it makes sense to treat it

606
00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:49,250
seriously in the same way that you do

607
00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:51,080
like the the Bigfoot subjects that we're

608
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:54,280
talking about so it actually does have

609
00:26:00,670 --> 00:25:57,290
fascinating sociology behind it it has

610
00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:00,680
really interesting history into how and

611
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:03,140
when the theory you know appeared and

612
00:26:08,170 --> 00:26:05,090
then disappeared was gone for decades

613
00:26:10,510 --> 00:26:08,180
and then reappeared in what was it 2005

614
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:10,520
I think was sort of the cases around

615
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:12,770
that this guy that made a YouTube video

616
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:15,650
and and a PDF document that this

617
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:17,810
released at the same time and you look

618
00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:20,690
in Google Trends and Flat Earth was 0

619
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:24,020
for decades until suddenly boom and then

620
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:25,910
you can see each of those early videos

621
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:28,370
appearing on YouTube and the huge spike

622
00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:30,760
in search terms for Flat Earth and

623
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,030
that's the way kind of all these stories

624
00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:37,520
appear and get spread and so it's not a

625
00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:39,860
matter of gee don't people have any

626
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:41,870
science education it's a matter of how

627
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,010
does misinformation

628
00:26:46,930 --> 00:26:44,960
spread in society and that is an

629
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:46,940
important subject that's worthy of

630
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:49,310
worthy of study so I don't laugh at the

631
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:50,630
flatterer thing anymore it's it's

632
00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:53,390
something that's you know obviously you

633
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:55,460
laugh at the idea of it but as far as a

634
00:27:00,790 --> 00:26:58,460
subject for skeptical analysis it's very

635
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:00,800
valid here I went for the same process

636
00:27:06,790 --> 00:27:05,360
myself like I originally posters a long

637
00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:06,800
kind of explanation of why I thought it

638
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:08,360
was ridiculous leap and talk about it

639
00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:10,370
and this was I think maybe like four or

640
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,070
five years ago I did this and then kind

641
00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:14,720
of it just kind of crept in and you

642
00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:15,920
realized that more and more people

643
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:18,620
actually do believe it it wasn't just

644
00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:20,570
people like joking around even though

645
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:22,430
there's a lot of that in there there's

646
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:24,650
there's people who you know for some

647
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:26,090
reason and they can't wrap their heads

648
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:27,830
around the idea that the earth is

649
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:29,480
actually round and that the scientists

650
00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:31,850
have it right and you know it is

651
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:33,740
actually worth worth addressing and now

652
00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:36,110
I now I have this huge section of my

653
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:39,260
forums I think it's also it's kind of

654
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:42,890
fascinating too nerdy types because you

655
00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:44,150
get to do all this fun little bits of

656
00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:47,660
geometry and like working out the math

657
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:49,670
on things and you think you think you

658
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:52,880
can explain it to people but it's it's

659
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:54,110
very very difficult because they don't

660
00:27:58,660 --> 00:27:57,170
really understand the math so it's it's

661
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:58,670
kind of like bashing your head against a

662
00:28:02,970 --> 00:27:59,570
brick wall it's gonna frustrate

663
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:02,980
frustrating do you remember there was a

664
00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:06,890
there was a theory or a guess or

665
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:08,990
something that that the Flat Earth

666
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:10,610
Society and the people who believe in

667
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,560
the Flat Earth they don't really think

668
00:28:17,470 --> 00:28:14,480
that they're just doing it as a sort of

669
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:17,480
logical rhetorical exercise yeah I never

670
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:19,970
found any any evidence that that ever

671
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:22,880
existed I heard plenty people say that

672
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:25,220
or proposed that but I don't recall ever

673
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:27,890
coming across anyone actually treating

674
00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:30,170
it that way there was a Canadian Flat

675
00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:32,750
Earth Society which I think was in the

676
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:36,790
seventies otherwise which was actually

677
00:28:41,890 --> 00:28:39,530
thought to do that it was like some some

678
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:41,900
guy like a philosopher and he set up

679
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:43,910
this organization he didn't really

680
00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:45,770
believe it but he wanted to make people

681
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:47,780
like question science and things like

682
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:51,980
that so that one was actually that and I

683
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:55,760
think I was the guy that tried to pick

684
00:28:59,800 --> 00:28:57,490
up from

685
00:29:01,240 --> 00:28:59,810
I'm forgetting their name the elderly

686
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:01,250
couple that lived in the California

687
00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:03,890
desert that their house Noel me I'm not

688
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:06,950
sure if it was but it's it's in it's in

689
00:29:12,550 --> 00:29:10,010
that the book you know beer what was it

690
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,560
like the history of a dangerous idea the

691
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:15,440
Flat Earth book yeah yeah but it wasn't

692
00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:17,270
that but it was that's the book you're

693
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:19,580
talking about yeah yeah come on where

694
00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:21,530
it's cool anyways but yeah it's the that

695
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:24,140
have actually been people who did it for

696
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:26,900
philosophical reasons and some people

697
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:28,490
you know they start out with this this

698
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,240
philosophy of is the Texas ism which is

699
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:35,840
you know terrible word no yes it a poor

700
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:37,250
podcasting workers no one can pronounce

701
00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:40,370
it it's a test ISM no never mind without

702
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:43,940
that word and that you know they they

703
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:45,290
don't believe in anything basically

704
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:47,630
unless they can prove it for themselves

705
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:51,410
so there's a long history over it was

706
00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:53,090
the name of the Australian skeptics

707
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:55,160
magazine for a long time the Zeit etic

708
00:30:04,120 --> 00:29:57,290
yeah okay I can't imagine a worse name

709
00:30:05,740 --> 00:30:04,130
back off the shelf in interest I thought

710
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:05,750
actually the original skeptical Inquirer

711
00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:07,940
was was called that either that or

712
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:11,750
skeptic magazine in in America okay

713
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:14,120
that's maybe the Australian one hmm yeah

714
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:17,510
but yeah it's is it splatter earth is a

715
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:20,690
very extreme thing and you know I didn't

716
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:21,770
do it at first

717
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,720
are there any conspiracies now that you

718
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:26,000
think are kind of beyond the pale that

719
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:28,820
you wouldn't you don't talk about it but

720
00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:33,710
I don't talk about like I don't know

721
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,020
lizard people did you talk about that

722
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:38,480
one I you know I did I did an episode on

723
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:41,840
the lizard people very early on in in

724
00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:45,350
skeptoid and with you know there's a

725
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:49,070
certain amount you can say about David

726
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:52,370
Icke and you know looking at the blurry

727
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,220
lines the video artifacts and a VHS tape

728
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:57,440
you know we don't really have that sort

729
00:31:00,880 --> 00:30:58,970
of video artifacting anymore with my

730
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:00,890
technologists I don't hear that so much

731
00:31:07,270 --> 00:31:03,850
so my episode focused more on the the

732
00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:07,280
genesis of this idea of lizard people

733
00:31:11,380 --> 00:31:09,020
living in underground

734
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:11,390
cities particularly underneath Los

735
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:14,770
Angeles and underneath Mount Shasta and

736
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:18,140
I did come up with a with a really

737
00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:20,210
interesting history going all the way

738
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:23,990
back to as far as I could tell the first

739
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:26,210
time that that became a thing which was

740
00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:29,530
in in the gold rush days in Los Angeles

741
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:34,100
a guy who was he got a lot of press in

742
00:31:38,290 --> 00:31:36,980
the in in the whatever if the newspaper

743
00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:38,300
was still called the Los Angeles Times

744
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:40,040
and I don't remember he got a lot of

745
00:31:45,790 --> 00:31:43,400
newspaper press with his theory and he

746
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:45,800
produced a map of all these tunnels

747
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:48,530
underneath Los Angeles that and

748
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:51,950
locations of big caches of gold stored

749
00:31:59,050 --> 00:31:54,950
in these tunnels and he had found these

750
00:32:01,270 --> 00:31:59,060
all using his his x-ray photography

751
00:32:03,970 --> 00:32:01,280
camera or something like that which

752
00:32:05,380 --> 00:32:03,980
turned out to be a dowsing pendulum that

753
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:05,390
he just held and for some reason he

754
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:07,750
called out an x-ray photography device

755
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,870
and where he got this information this

756
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:13,840
story about the people who built this

757
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,830
underground tunnel came from a guy who

758
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:21,440
as far as I can tell was pretending to

759
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,170
have been from the Navajo Nation I was

760
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:26,720
able to track down the Navajo Nation

761
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:30,530
actually has a fascinatingly accessible

762
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:32,420
public database of birth and death

763
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:36,530
records going back as far as they've

764
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:38,690
been able to go and and I was able to

765
00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:41,270
try and find verify that no such person

766
00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:43,520
as this guy had ever been in those

767
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:45,140
databases I think he said he was an

768
00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:47,720
Apache and I believe that's included in

769
00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:49,520
the Navajo Nation archives I hope I'm

770
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:52,700
remembering that correctly and he had a

771
00:32:58,570 --> 00:32:55,550
story about an ancient Native American

772
00:33:00,640 --> 00:32:58,580
belief and I went to the relevant Native

773
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:00,650
American texts talking about all of

774
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:02,750
their folklore and found no mention of

775
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:04,130
anything remotely like what he was

776
00:33:10,660 --> 00:33:06,920
talking about so I believe that that

777
00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:10,670
ended up being sort of case zero for the

778
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:14,390
the idea of the lizard clan living

779
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:16,070
underneath Los Angeles and Mount Shasta

780
00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:18,350
so that was that was a really fun really

781
00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:21,680
fun episode yeah that's that's

782
00:33:25,299 --> 00:33:22,820
interesting

783
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:25,309
quickly Mount Shasta and Los Angeles

784
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,630
Manchester is kind of like I Drive past

785
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:31,039
Mount Shasta a lot because I Drive up to

786
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:33,080
Southern Oregon because I have family

787
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:33,850
there

788
00:33:39,009 --> 00:33:36,769
and I never like in the Shasta area it's

789
00:33:41,169 --> 00:33:39,019
a very alternative culture area lots of

790
00:33:43,419 --> 00:33:41,179
kind of thinking of hippie types and

791
00:33:44,529 --> 00:33:43,429
new-age types and a lot of people who

792
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:44,539
believe in the chemtrail conspiracy

793
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:47,630
theory only that snow probably

794
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:50,330
influenced by the presence of local

795
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,190
underground aliens or my aliens just

796
00:33:55,539 --> 00:33:54,080
lizards I haven't actually heard that

797
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:55,549
though from just from Shasta I think

798
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:56,809
maybe it's something that they forgotten

799
00:34:04,869 --> 00:34:01,279
about they're in there with the with the

800
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:04,879
Lemurians and the of course there's that

801
00:34:07,930 --> 00:34:06,350
there's the Bigfoot and then there's an

802
00:34:10,809 --> 00:34:07,940
invisible race and then there's a race

803
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:10,819
of of like tiny gnomes and then there's

804
00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:12,770
the Nordic aliens Mount Shasta

805
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:15,020
apparently is just full of full of

806
00:34:21,129 --> 00:34:19,460
beings yeah like a lot of this book it's

807
00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:21,139
quite a dramatic mountain if you've ever

808
00:34:26,109 --> 00:34:23,960
driven by it it's you can imagine that

809
00:34:28,419 --> 00:34:26,119
people people would definitely think

810
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,429
it's a magical place but unless speaking

811
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:30,879
of chemtrails like I was looking through

812
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:33,770
skeptoid for episodes on chemtrails I

813
00:34:38,290 --> 00:34:35,260
think there's any there's anyone

814
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,300
chemtrail episode I typically don't

815
00:34:42,579 --> 00:34:40,639
repeat episodes yeah and I haven't

816
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:42,589
there's so many basic subjects I still

817
00:34:47,649 --> 00:34:44,179
haven't covered yet that I don't I don't

818
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:47,659
go back and do a new one so I do updates

819
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:49,609
and things like that and occasionally

820
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:53,510
I'll put updates on a transcript but you

821
00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:56,389
know yeah often aren't it's like it's

822
00:35:01,960 --> 00:34:57,950
not like there's no new science about

823
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:01,970
chemtrails it's true I haven't Ashley

824
00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:04,220
yeah I wrote loads about chemtrails as I

825
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,109
have this contrails science web so yeah

826
00:35:10,839 --> 00:35:09,680
yeah and I I haven't updated it for a

827
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:10,849
long time and haven't really written

828
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:12,680
very much about them on on meta bank

829
00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:15,170
because nothing's really happening it's

830
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:18,440
almost like it's run its course in a way

831
00:35:21,849 --> 00:35:20,210
and kind of settle down into this steady

832
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:21,859
state where it's just going to become

833
00:35:25,809 --> 00:35:23,480
this conspiracy that some people believe

834
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,819
in but nothing's really happening

835
00:35:30,309 --> 00:35:27,200
there was one what part of it like

836
00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:30,319
speaking about Shasta is that the one of

837
00:35:33,849 --> 00:35:31,880
the guys behind there the conspiracy

838
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,859
theory had this idea that there was all

839
00:35:37,579 --> 00:35:35,700
this UV radiation coming down

840
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,589
burning up all the trees and all the

841
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:39,480
trees were gonna die over the next few

842
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,950
years and he pointed to some trees that

843
00:35:45,289 --> 00:35:42,720
like we're dead and said this tree has

844
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:45,299
been killed and he was like this very

845
00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:47,250
popular guy promoting the Kentrell

846
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,470
theory and he made this kind of a

847
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:51,119
prediction I guess like like three years

848
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:52,890
ago saying that all the trees are gonna

849
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:55,049
die without was during the droughts and

850
00:35:58,099 --> 00:35:56,579
then like the last year or two if had

851
00:36:00,260 --> 00:35:58,109
we've had pretty good rains over the

852
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,270
winter and then I drove through Chester

853
00:36:04,819 --> 00:36:02,700
like a few weeks ago and it's just

854
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:04,829
beautiful verdant green everywhere and

855
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:07,049
there's no problem whatsoever so he must

856
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:08,460
be seeing this every day I mean if

857
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:09,720
there's any kind of cognitive dissonance

858
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:12,210
going on there with or with that but you

859
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,890
know I think I think like some

860
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,260
conspiracy theorists do do run their

861
00:36:22,819 --> 00:36:19,920
course and they kind of like yeah just

862
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,829
become like JFK for example did you have

863
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,839
you ever written about JFK like this yes

864
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:26,760
I did that was one that I resisted to

865
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:28,470
answer your earlier question I resisted

866
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:31,770
that for years yeah you know that's

867
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:35,130
Bugliosi x' book on that is mmm 1600

868
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:37,290
pages I think you know it's a it's

869
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:39,450
literally that thick and I'm going how

870
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,339
am I going to distill that into a 15

871
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:43,619
minute podcast I just thought there's

872
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,040
just no way to do it and so I when I

873
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:50,579
finally did my episode on JFK I did not

874
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:53,250
attempt to specifically debunk any of

875
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:54,990
the claims because their countless

876
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,020
there's hundreds hundreds of of these

877
00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:00,960
JFK conspiracy theories instead I just

878
00:37:04,309 --> 00:37:02,670
talked about the general you know the

879
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:04,319
general phenomenon of how and why they

880
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,970
appear I felt that was really the only

881
00:37:10,789 --> 00:37:07,680
the only way I could do any sort of

882
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:10,799
justice to that topic yeah I I don't

883
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:14,010
talk about JFK at all or really

884
00:37:16,789 --> 00:37:15,210
investigate it there's a couple of

885
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,799
things on that event but it there's so

886
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:19,680
much being written about it you know the

887
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:21,390
book he mentioned and the case closed

888
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,849
book I could be just yeah or you could

889
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:25,500
read either one of those books and you

890
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:27,890
get a great overview of what's going on

891
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:32,609
but you mentioned we're talking about

892
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:35,099
the new information coming up I was

893
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:37,980
about to do an episode on the the Tom

894
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:40,950
shoed case the Somerton Man because

895
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,410
people have been repeatedly asking for

896
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:45,839
that over the years which was you know

897
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:47,460
it was a body that washed up on the

898
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:49,020
beach in Australia

899
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:49,480
where

900
00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:52,570
and he had like a weird encoded thing in

901
00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:56,080
his in his pond and you know I I don't I

902
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:57,369
don't remember too much about it because

903
00:38:02,430 --> 00:37:59,980
I haven't done an episode on it and I

904
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:02,440
was just about to do that episode when

905
00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:04,600
suddenly boom up pops in my Google

906
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:06,430
Alerts there's new news on that now

907
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:09,970
after decades some researcher has gotten

908
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:12,730
permission to get his body exhumed so

909
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:15,490
they can do DNA testing because the main

910
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:16,630
part of mystery is that he's totally

911
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:18,130
unidentified there's no one he could

912
00:38:23,099 --> 00:38:21,130
possibly be so they might actually crack

913
00:38:25,650 --> 00:38:23,109
that case so I'm kind of glad that I

914
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:25,660
didn't do an episode on that yet yeah

915
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:27,310
but that's rare that's about the only

916
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:29,020
case I can think of where you take an

917
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:33,730
old old you know cold case and all of a

918
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:37,210
sudden the episode becomes screwed up

919
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:38,770
because there's actually new information

920
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:40,450
that's just it just doesn't happen yeah

921
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:42,130
I think you can happen with Bigfoot

922
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:43,570
they're not gonna find a Bigfoot you

923
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:44,650
know they're not gonna catch a ghost

924
00:38:49,050 --> 00:38:46,210
they're not I'm not worried about most

925
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:49,060
of the episodes something people ask me

926
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:51,130
a lot is like you know what are you

927
00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:53,650
gonna do when when it's UFOs are

928
00:38:59,820 --> 00:38:55,750
disclosed how are you gonna feel when

929
00:39:02,340 --> 00:38:59,830
you prove to be wrong

930
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:02,350
suppose people tell you about that tell

931
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:04,450
you that about every single topic that

932
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:06,730
you that you cover which must be a lot

933
00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:08,740
of a lot of egg on your face when

934
00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:10,359
finally everything is revealed to be

935
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,900
true I'm one guy challenged me to drink

936
00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:16,000
a drink a six-pack of Diet Coke

937
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:18,280
every day for a month and see if you're

938
00:39:23,310 --> 00:39:21,310
still alive I said not Diet Coke but

939
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:23,320
diet dr. pepper is pretty much my fuel

940
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:25,450
I've been doing at least 10 a day for 10

941
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:28,840
years yeah I used to drink probably at

942
00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:30,609
least a six-pack of diet coke every day

943
00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:34,180
I stopped just because it was kind of

944
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:36,220
pointless really it was just kind of get

945
00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:38,230
a habit I was doing but yeah I had a

946
00:39:41,099 --> 00:39:39,880
private Ridge full of Diet Coke and I

947
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:41,109
would be going there and drinking diet

948
00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:43,660
coke all the time I actually it became

949
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,640
like a motif in some of my 9/11

950
00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:47,200
debunking videos because I always used

951
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:49,780
these diet coke cans to simulate various

952
00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:51,609
aspects so I would build like little

953
00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:53,500
towers a diet coke counter or stand on

954
00:39:56,730 --> 00:39:55,300
them and say this represents World Trade

955
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:56,740
Center 7 but now I've stopped drinking

956
00:40:01,040 --> 00:39:58,530
diet coke so

957
00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:01,050
I have to I had the I to stock up on

958
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:03,390
empty Diet Coke and before I gave it up

959
00:40:07,610 --> 00:40:05,640
so I've got enough to continue my my

960
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:07,620
candy experiments in the future so what

961
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:13,740
did you switch to water I can't can't

962
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,330
seem to get through with just water no

963
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:17,760
you just you just could have like get

964
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:20,700
used to it it's uh I was inspired to do

965
00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:22,710
this by Stephen Fry indirectly because

966
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:24,600
he and in one of his books he said like

967
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:26,970
the way to give up sugar in coffee is

968
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,130
just simply don't do it for a week and

969
00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:31,440
then you get used to it which which

970
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:32,790
worked I tried I used that I should

971
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:34,230
agree my coffee all the time and then I

972
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,510
you know stopped it and got used to it

973
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:37,920
and then I did the same thing with with

974
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:40,530
with diet coke that took longer I must

975
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:41,790
say it was probably like a couple of

976
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:43,620
months before the cravings for another

977
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:46,620
diet coke actually went away but now now

978
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:48,870
they're gone well it was a long time ago

979
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:50,670
that I switched from regular dr. pepper

980
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,710
to diet dr. pepper and that was a hard

981
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:54,780
change to make because it was disgusting

982
00:41:00,260 --> 00:40:57,390
but it didn't take long at all before a

983
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:00,270
regular dr. pepper is just disgustingly

984
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:02,730
sickly sweet I couldn't drink one I

985
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,610
couldn't force one down yeah yeah yes

986
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,560
it's an interesting thing like the human

987
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:09,660
brain does get used to things and this

988
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:10,980
that kind of bringing it back to the

989
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,270
whole conspiracy theory thing like

990
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,880
something yeah some advice that people

991
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:16,500
give to people is to take a break from

992
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:18,510
conspiracy theories like a lot of people

993
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:20,070
I think because they do it over and over

994
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:22,290
again they're consuming my YouTube

995
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,210
videos just the same way I consume Diet

996
00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:26,160
Coke you get used to having that little

997
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,600
fix of of conspiracism and if you can

998
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,520
get someone just to take a break from it

999
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,560
for more like even just a week you can

1000
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:36,000
actually really help them kind of move

1001
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:38,850
away from from that type of thing that's

1002
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:39,510
a good idea

1003
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:41,220
get out into the world you know meet

1004
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:44,730
some friends at the pub don't different

1005
00:41:51,310 --> 00:41:47,370
friends yeah

1006
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:51,320
so speaking of friends like your

1007
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:56,160
documentary science friction this yeah

1008
00:42:02,180 --> 00:41:59,820
you you previewed it at a saikhan last

1009
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:02,190
week we did we had we had about a 45

1010
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:06,230
minute 48 minute cut which is about

1011
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:09,690
probably half or so what its final

1012
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:12,150
length will be

1013
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:15,000
it was a rough cut but it held together

1014
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,630
really well

1015
00:42:19,339 --> 00:42:17,460
and it gave the the audience we had

1016
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,349
about 110 people in the room were mostly

1017
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:22,200
people who had donated to the film so we

1018
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,630
really wanted to you know it's been in

1019
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:26,160
production for so long we really wanted

1020
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:27,270
to give them something say here look

1021
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:28,680
here we are doing what you what you're

1022
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,160
paying is to do and the the reception

1023
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,500
was fantastic it was but you know I'm

1024
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:36,780
like one of the creators of it so I've

1025
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:39,089
got this you know hyper critical vision

1026
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:40,859
of it and everything I hate everything

1027
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:42,420
about it oh this all needs to be better

1028
00:42:46,339 --> 00:42:45,210
so I don't I see that but the audience

1029
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:46,349
didn't see that at all they were they

1030
00:42:51,799 --> 00:42:49,079
loved it and I was super pleased at the

1031
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:51,809
reception that it got and even even in

1032
00:42:58,220 --> 00:42:56,099
its dramatically uncompleted state it's

1033
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,230
going to be such a great film the the

1034
00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:00,240
interviewees that we have are so

1035
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:03,950
fantastic and their stories are so good

1036
00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:07,650
yeah so these and just we didn't great

1037
00:43:11,539 --> 00:43:08,819
mentioned what these actually owed out

1038
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:11,549
which is the point I will mention what

1039
00:43:16,059 --> 00:43:13,950
it's about it's is it's all interviews

1040
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:16,069
with scientists who have been

1041
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,079
misrepresented on television basically

1042
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,839
they go on a Shark Week show and they

1043
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,000
get edited to make it sound like yes

1044
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:26,339
scientists do believe that the monster

1045
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,220
shark does still exist and and many of

1046
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,960
these cases are dramatic where they'll

1047
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:32,700
just they'll make these little razor

1048
00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:34,710
blade edits and someone's sentenced to

1049
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,270
make it sound like they said the exact

1050
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,160
opposite of what they said and they'll

1051
00:43:44,029 --> 00:43:39,960
cover it with these little video edits

1052
00:43:47,779 --> 00:43:44,039
so we got we've got all kinds of cases

1053
00:43:51,859 --> 00:43:47,789
from going back a couple of decades in

1054
00:43:54,769 --> 00:43:51,869
some of these and even from today there

1055
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:54,779
is a series running right now I won't

1056
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,079
say which which has a number of experts

1057
00:44:05,059 --> 00:44:02,400
and experts in in each episode and two

1058
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:05,069
of them that are running this season we

1059
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:06,930
had our own hidden camera and hidden

1060
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:09,089
microphones set up to record what was

1061
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,339
actually said so part of my job is

1062
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,440
watching every episode of this show as

1063
00:44:17,539 --> 00:44:15,660
it drops each week scrolling through

1064
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:17,549
finding our experts and listening

1065
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:18,660
carefully to how they're being

1066
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:21,150
represented and so far they've been

1067
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,580
honestly represented this season

1068
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:25,380
but it's happened to both of them in the

1069
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:27,030
past hoping it's going to happen to them

1070
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,030
this season because we've got great

1071
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:31,680
backup video and backup audio of what

1072
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:33,600
was actually said to compare with in the

1073
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:36,570
film and I should point out we always do

1074
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:38,430
this in accordance with state laws for

1075
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:39,960
recording people with or without their

1076
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:41,340
knowledge we have to follow that very

1077
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:46,290
carefully and you've got got people like

1078
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:48,990
do you know Ken fader the archaeologist

1079
00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:52,770
no he is probably the most animated fun

1080
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:55,590
speaker you'll ever encounter for his

1081
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,360
interview we just set up the camera and

1082
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,000
said go Ken and sat back and I think

1083
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,160
it's an 11 minute long clip in the film

1084
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:05,280
it's just telling this one story and

1085
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,560
it's really the highlight of the film so

1086
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:09,660
that's got some great personalities in

1087
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,020
it with some great stories so it's being

1088
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:15,780
a feature film it's gonna it is intended

1089
00:45:20,570 --> 00:45:19,230
for a commercial release it probably

1090
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:20,580
won't be in theaters but it'll probably

1091
00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:23,310
be on Showtime HBO something like that

1092
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:24,360
and then it'll know to the streaming

1093
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:27,540
services so we're just trying to bring

1094
00:45:32,570 --> 00:45:29,940
The Skeptical message to a broader

1095
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:32,580
audience and it's kind of what great

1096
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:35,850
that we're all about here and and get it

1097
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:37,170
off the internet and get it out into the

1098
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:40,350
world yeah I you know I've had similar

1099
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:41,880
experiences myself like being

1100
00:45:44,330 --> 00:45:43,230
interviewed and obviously they cut

1101
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:44,340
things down because they interview you

1102
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:45,930
for like an hour and then they use you

1103
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:48,210
for like like a couple of seconds

1104
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:52,440
sometimes do you like from from doing

1105
00:45:56,570 --> 00:45:55,080
all this research for the film do you

1106
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:56,580
have like advice for people who are

1107
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:59,130
going to be on one of these show is like

1108
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:00,420
how they should act and what they should

1109
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:03,810
what they should say well obviously you

1110
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,130
need to be very careful I did a sting

1111
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:12,000
myself for this show where I said nobody

1112
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:14,070
believes this but and I gave the editor

1113
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:18,450
of pause you know blah blah blah some BS

1114
00:46:22,070 --> 00:46:20,220
idea and then I gave the editor of pause

1115
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:22,080
and then I said and of course that's not

1116
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:24,780
true because of this trying to bait them

1117
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:28,500
to use that but you can do that without

1118
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,510
leaving the pauses for the editor as

1119
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:32,160
long as you're just very careful about

1120
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:34,500
how you phrase every sentence and as you

1121
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:36,270
know from your experience

1122
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,130
the director is gonna sit there and

1123
00:46:42,799 --> 00:46:40,079
prompt you can you say it this way can

1124
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:42,809
you say it that way yes would it be

1125
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:45,030
valid to say this and he'll just keep

1126
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,680
making you answer the same question the

1127
00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:48,720
same sentence a hundred times until he

1128
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:51,270
gets something he thinks he can use so

1129
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:55,170
you can do that you can you can ask them

1130
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,500
if you can record your own audio I did

1131
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,020
it once you they typically don't like

1132
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:03,480
that but I did it once and hey this is

1133
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:04,980
for my own real I'm trying to expand my

1134
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,750
real do you mind if I set this up so ask

1135
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:12,000
if you can do that you know them you

1136
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:14,550
expect not tell them that you expect not

1137
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,910
to be edited out of context and be very

1138
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:19,619
upset about it if you are tell them that

1139
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,980
after the you do the interview yeah I

1140
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,680
think I got you it gives you an

1141
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:28,200
interesting perspective like having been

1142
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,730
on these shows when you see how the

1143
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:32,160
sausage is made it kind of in a way not

1144
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:34,650
you know we can almost ruins like that

1145
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,450
type of show for me now because now you

1146
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:38,160
can tell when someone says something

1147
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,660
that there's a producer just off to the

1148
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:41,040
side who's prompted them to say

1149
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,780
something in a certain way yeah this

1150
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,280
this really amazing thing looks like

1151
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:46,140
it's coming out of the ocean you know

1152
00:47:48,859 --> 00:47:46,980
that's not what they're actually

1153
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:48,869
thinking that's something that the

1154
00:47:54,289 --> 00:47:51,450
producer is somehow contrived for them

1155
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,299
to actually say and it's a you know it's

1156
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:56,400
uh it gives you a very different

1157
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,410
perspective

1158
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,180
another thing that it's done is when

1159
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:02,160
when we're watching these shows now and

1160
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:05,339
there's someone who briefly appears with

1161
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:07,500
to say something you don't know who this

1162
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,240
person is anymore because no matter what

1163
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:11,040
they're saying they could be a scientist

1164
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:13,859
who actually knows what's going on who

1165
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,690
is just being you know kind of

1166
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:18,000
deceptively edited or just using a

1167
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,190
corner of one sentence or it could be a

1168
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:23,280
total lowest person it's kind of broken

1169
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:25,290
down the barrier between who's an expert

1170
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:28,020
and who's not it's democratized

1171
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:31,049
expertise oh yeah and the little of the

1172
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,390
titles they give you I think I've had

1173
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,280
like three different titles I had like

1174
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:37,680
like I think well chemtrail expert

1175
00:48:45,319 --> 00:48:40,290
contrail expert aviation expert and

1176
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:45,329
video expert maybe like I'm a chem trail

1177
00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:49,319
expert but I got to tell you my favorite

1178
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:49,950
my face

1179
00:48:57,140 --> 00:48:55,710
story from this I was doing I was

1180
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:57,150
talking one of these shows these

1181
00:49:01,540 --> 00:48:58,710
producers we're talking to me they

1182
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:01,550
wanted to come and interview me for I

1183
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,210
don't even remember what it was and we

1184
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:08,400
were all set up to do it and they were

1185
00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:10,950
they missed a couple of calls that we

1186
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:12,750
had and I called them up and said hey

1187
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,700
you know my schedules filling up did you

1188
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:16,140
still want to do this or not and they

1189
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:18,180
said well I'll be honest with you

1190
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,740
everyone knows about science friction

1191
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:21,060
nobody will touch you with a 10-foot

1192
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:24,890
Pole and on the one hand I said great

1193
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:27,060
great that everyone knows about science

1194
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:30,300
friction first of all but the other

1195
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:32,280
thing that happened is that then about a

1196
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:35,510
week after that call I see on Twitter

1197
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:38,970
somebody says hey my favorite guy Brian

1198
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:40,410
Dunning is on mysteries at the museum

1199
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,470
right now I go on the streets so I do a

1200
00:49:50,839 --> 00:49:48,599
little searching online I find the

1201
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:50,849
episode and downloaded they had an actor

1202
00:49:57,859 --> 00:49:54,240
portray me they had some guy sitting at

1203
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,869
a desk and then who's the narrator on

1204
00:50:02,930 --> 00:49:58,800
mysteries at the museum

1205
00:50:06,859 --> 00:50:02,940
what's his name whoever he is great guy

1206
00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:06,869
I like him he's a science writer Brian

1207
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:09,420
Dunning did some research and he found

1208
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:11,730
this out and they keep cutting back to

1209
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,130
this guy and it's a some guy who doesn't

1210
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:16,859
look anything like me of course with his

1211
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,040
Windows PC and his dial telephone and

1212
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:21,900
all these things that are exactly my

1213
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:25,410
desk and his bright pink shirt they keep

1214
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:26,790
cutting back to him and easting outgoing

1215
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:28,710
aha guy try this is so difficult to

1216
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:30,030
figure out where he's talking on the

1217
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,880
phone it was it was comical I love ya

1218
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,200
did they did they put like a little

1219
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,420
reenactment thing at the bottom of the

1220
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,819
screen and and I believe I am unique

1221
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:43,440
among all of my friends in science

1222
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:45,390
communication that I have been now

1223
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:47,970
portrayed by an actor that's very

1224
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,890
impressive so they can't claim that must

1225
00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:54,960
be misquoted with me well I guess in the

1226
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:56,550
future they could they could make a deep

1227
00:51:02,250 --> 00:50:58,050
fake every well they could prob'ly do

1228
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:02,260
that now yeah which would have been less

1229
00:51:05,550 --> 00:51:03,609
yeah what do you say what do you think

1230
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:05,560
about deep fakes and like it's gonna be

1231
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:09,369
a big thing in the future four four four

1232
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,140
bunk production it it it it is but most

1233
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:19,359
of the most of the best research that I

1234
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:21,970
have the best research materials when

1235
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:25,500
I'm doing a subject are from books

1236
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,780
especially books and articles written at

1237
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:30,480
the time when the event occurred and

1238
00:51:38,609 --> 00:51:34,260
watching the story grow and change

1239
00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:38,619
through documentary research that's not

1240
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:40,270
going to be impacted at all by deep

1241
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:41,530
fakes

1242
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:46,090
kind of the same influence that we're

1243
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:48,390
getting right now by you know the

1244
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:50,830
Russian articles on Facebook and that

1245
00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:53,080
kind of thing it's going to continue to

1246
00:51:58,140 --> 00:51:55,000
cause rifts but I don't think it's going

1247
00:52:02,010 --> 00:51:58,150
to have any historical impact I don't

1248
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:02,020
think it's gonna have any any it

1249
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:04,420
wouldn't throw me off the track for a

1250
00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:06,100
skeptoid episode I don't think I've ever

1251
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,740
used a video quote of something someone

1252
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:11,680
said as you know evidence of what

1253
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:13,090
actually took place in some particular

1254
00:52:15,690 --> 00:52:14,290
urban legend

1255
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,700
I don't know I'm probably wrong about

1256
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:17,200
that I think there's a lot about that

1257
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:18,850
that we can't really predict what what

1258
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:21,460
sort of impact it's going to have yeah I

1259
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:24,160
don't know what do you think it's gonna

1260
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,770
be way more prevalent I think it's gonna

1261
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:28,480
be kind of a period where people of

1262
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:31,270
transition between you know trusting

1263
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:33,910
video of people to not trusting video of

1264
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:35,350
people and in between there's gonna be

1265
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:37,630
all this confusion right before like

1266
00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:41,770
people would trust photographs and tell

1267
00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:44,920
they photoshop and editing photographs

1268
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:46,840
became so easy for people to do that

1269
00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:48,609
everyone was automatically saying you

1270
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:50,980
know this is fake as is photoshopped so

1271
00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:53,350
there might be a period of confusion but

1272
00:53:00,090 --> 00:52:56,830
it could and no it's it's gonna be

1273
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,100
tricky because people do base things on

1274
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:02,460
on videos and if you have these

1275
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,380
impossible to detect fakes it's gonna

1276
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:06,880
kind of change the landscape a bit

1277
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:08,890
versus it's hard to say I don't I don't

1278
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:11,410
really know I think perhaps AI might be

1279
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:13,690
in general might be a bigger thing and

1280
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:15,850
that you can have a

1281
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,020
that will act like actual people and

1282
00:53:23,790 --> 00:53:21,280
pretends to be people and then we can

1283
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:23,800
pretend to be videos of people and you

1284
00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:27,100
know I could be talking to you right now

1285
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:29,860
as an AI I can say I didn't know 10-15

1286
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:31,540
years time and you will be

1287
00:53:34,530 --> 00:53:32,890
indistinguishable from the real thing

1288
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:34,540
even down to everything we're actually

1289
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:37,030
saying and a little laughs and jokes and

1290
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:37,900
things like that

1291
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:39,190
a lot of people say I'm already

1292
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:42,730
indistinguishable for yeah I get that I

1293
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:45,100
get that sometimes I think there's

1294
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:46,510
definitely gonna be an interesting arms

1295
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:48,220
race though between detection

1296
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:50,920
technologies and and and the faking

1297
00:53:56,850 --> 00:53:54,670
technologies that you know that never

1298
00:53:59,790 --> 00:53:56,860
really we kept seeing stuff when

1299
00:54:01,590 --> 00:53:59,800
Photoshop became bigger and bigger and

1300
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:01,600
manipulation of photos we kept seeing

1301
00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:06,220
news about detection technologies and I

1302
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,140
assume they're still out there but I

1303
00:54:11,220 --> 00:54:09,520
don't hear news about it anymore

1304
00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:11,230
yeah they're mean there are certain

1305
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:14,470
tools you can use kind of detects if a

1306
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:16,750
photo has been edited but there's also

1307
00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:18,970
ways around them like a lot of the stuff

1308
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:21,340
you do is degrading the photograph yeah

1309
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:23,110
so it can have averages everything out

1310
00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:25,180
yeah and this is these techniques going

1311
00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:28,360
work yeah yeah and some of the you know

1312
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:30,760
the techniques now like the the the AI

1313
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:32,770
techniques the deep neural networks that

1314
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:35,740
they have for kind of faking scenes can

1315
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:37,110
be used to make it so it's almost

1316
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:38,860
indistinguishable from the real thing

1317
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:41,050
you've got a eyes now that can take a

1318
00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:43,390
photo of a landscape in summer and

1319
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:46,120
change it to the same photo in winter in

1320
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:47,860
a way that's almost indistinguishable

1321
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:51,280
both from reality well it's it's

1322
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:53,950
knowledge of what what landscape looked

1323
00:54:59,880 --> 00:54:57,370
like in winter and summer so yeah I

1324
00:55:02,220 --> 00:54:59,890
don't think well the arms race is

1325
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:02,230
actually going to keep up with with that

1326
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:04,330
type of thing I suppose like AI doing it

1327
00:55:09,060 --> 00:55:05,740
will be a big thing

1328
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:09,070
ai debunking is I think something is

1329
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,420
going to be in the future as well like

1330
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:12,670
yeah I'm hoping to get like eventually

1331
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,220
AI robots like scouring Twitter and

1332
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Facebook and finding people saying

1333
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:18,370
things that are wrong and then gently

1334
00:55:22,460 --> 00:55:20,560
explaining to them in a nice tone of

1335
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:22,470
voice that you know why they are wrong

1336
00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:24,910
doing doing you know doing what I do but

1337
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:27,880
but it's scale but we'll see let's go

1338
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:29,800
the future you know more about this that

1339
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:32,230
do you think it's possible that there

1340
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:34,630
could be something like like a an

1341
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,330
originality key some encrypted key

1342
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:39,520
embedded in original video that's that's

1343
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:40,650
authentic

1344
00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:43,510
yeah and they you know fake videos

1345
00:55:46,350 --> 00:55:44,740
wouldn't have that and a lot of real

1346
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:46,360
videos didn't have that also but at

1347
00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:48,610
least be able to prove originality

1348
00:55:52,590 --> 00:55:51,070
yeah and that there are actually things

1349
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,600
that do that I mean there's there's like

1350
00:56:00,240 --> 00:55:54,700
copyright things that people can embed

1351
00:56:02,250 --> 00:56:00,250
in videos that's that's you could detect

1352
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:02,260
straight away without having to look at

1353
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:03,910
the actual content you can kind of get

1354
00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:05,950
these little little modulations of

1355
00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:08,950
things in the video so to embed a key

1356
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:11,560
you can certainly have something in the

1357
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:15,700
camera that will sign a video file so

1358
00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:17,350
that if it's edited then it will it will

1359
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:19,060
know that it's being edited but problem

1360
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:20,470
with that is that when people take video

1361
00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:22,390
take photos they're always taking very

1362
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:24,220
large photographs and then they have to

1363
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:26,110
compress them down to a smaller one and

1364
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,330
edit them somehow so you'd have to have

1365
00:56:32,430 --> 00:56:30,420
some kind of chain of custody of keys

1366
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:32,440
going through that which could be a

1367
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:34,360
difficult thing couldn't no one's doing

1368
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:36,730
it now it's it's the adoption of that

1369
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:39,730
isn't going to really happen so possible

1370
00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:43,870
but not not likely to happen in the

1371
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:46,590
future I would say imagine a blockchain

1372
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:50,890
for every image that anyone takes from

1373
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:54,670
their iPhone yes I would never get quite

1374
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,090
large so what do you what are you doing

1375
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:00,480
next what's your next project after uh

1376
00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:04,360
science fiction so that's something that

1377
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:07,720
we're talking a lot about I'm I'm most

1378
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:10,690
eager to get into producing public

1379
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:13,510
broadcasting programming mm-hmm so we're

1380
00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:16,480
up here in Central Oregon and OPB Oregon

1381
00:57:20,430 --> 00:57:17,800
Public Broadcasting's actually the

1382
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:20,440
second largest producer of public

1383
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:26,170
television after WGBH Boston and it's

1384
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:28,210
something we don't know a lot of a lot

1385
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:32,650
about yet and we don't have a good

1386
00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:34,750
concept for what that show would be yet

1387
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:36,700
but it's something that my my

1388
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:38,950
fundraising team is pretty well plugged

1389
00:57:42,490 --> 00:57:41,770
into the public broadcasting scene up

1390
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:42,500
here and we're

1391
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:44,900
we're just starting to dip our toe in

1392
00:57:50,290 --> 00:57:47,330
and get our feet wet you know doing a

1393
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,300
podcast is not it's not a business model

1394
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:52,400
for our company and it's not a career

1395
00:57:56,349 --> 00:57:54,980
for a person so you know I've always

1396
00:57:58,030 --> 00:57:56,359
known that we need to move on to bigger

1397
00:58:00,130 --> 00:57:58,040
and better things the movie is is

1398
00:58:04,089 --> 00:58:00,140
obviously one big step in that direction

1399
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,099
science friction and I just want to

1400
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:05,599
looking for the next thing that's going

1401
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:07,970
to be a little bit more sustainable on

1402
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,359
an ongoing basis and PBS programming is

1403
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,960
kind of my my big goal right now yeah

1404
00:58:21,099 --> 00:58:17,359
that'd be great yeah it's a great

1405
00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:21,109
platform and an audience which is just

1406
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:24,020
good yeah and it has it has long legs I

1407
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:26,030
mean not that programming gets you know

1408
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:29,150
rebroadcast for decades yeah yeah

1409
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:33,260
there's the long tail of PBS yeah well

1410
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:35,420
that's a great very interesting stuff

1411
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,450
and how can people find you on the

1412
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:39,520
Internet

1413
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:41,930
best places just to come to skeptoid

1414
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:44,420
calm that's sort of the home base for

1415
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:46,609
the podcast and for for everything else

1416
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:49,430
that we do it's that's where to dive in

1417
00:58:53,609 --> 00:58:50,630
and of course I'm on all the social

1418
00:58:57,220 --> 00:58:53,619
media Brian Dunning and skeptoid both

1419
00:58:59,230 --> 00:58:57,230
yeah so yes I highly recommend skeptoid

1420
00:59:00,790 --> 00:58:59,240
very interesting set of things you can

1421
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:00,800
just go there look at the full list of

1422
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:02,690
episodes and just scroll down the whole

1423
00:59:08,140 --> 00:59:05,089
list that's just endless endlessly

1424
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,150
fascinating stuff to look at for pretty

1425
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:10,160
insane and the nice nice little chunks

1426
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:12,950
they're like like 12 15 minutes chunks

1427
00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:15,170
which are very very digestible and and

1428
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:17,150
yet they cover everything and in

1429
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:18,530
sufficient detail for you to get a good

1430
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:21,680
overview so I highly recommend it thank

1431
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:23,089
you all right Brian well thank you very